December 15, 2012

bootleg-jesus:

Little assassin Cassandra Cain kickin ass and things

Me and Daggerpen were discussing this last night, so- proof that David Cain did allow human speech in front of little Cass at some point.

Mind you, that still doesn’t prove he named her. Dagger reblogged a quote from a novelization where Babs wrote in her journal about naming Cass. So I’m convinced at this point that Cass’ name origin was retcon’d at some point from Babs to Cain, because I remember learning he named Cass.

(Source: bootleg-violence)

December 7, 2012
banditry:

rough sketches, messing around & looking for an easily animateable style that… isn’t totally timm/dcau. idk how i manage it but i always have this feeling like a) i am really inconsistent and have no style of my own and b) everything i draw looks the same
contradictory statements lol… hrnnnmmm.



At first glance I thought this was Artemis (Pony-tail + sideview of eye looking dark-colored) and had a moment of what, wha? And then I realized it was Steph and felt like an idiot.

banditry:

rough sketches, messing around & looking for an easily animateable style that… isn’t totally timm/dcau. idk how i manage it but i always have this feeling like a) i am really inconsistent and have no style of my own and b) everything i draw looks the same

contradictory statements lol… hrnnnmmm.

At first glance I thought this was Artemis (Pony-tail + sideview of eye looking dark-colored) and had a moment of what, wha? And then I realized it was Steph and felt like an idiot.

(via daggerpen)

December 1, 2012
December is here!

daggerpen:

operationbatgirlinc:

And with it, we’ve got some Cass in store for you.

While we will continue to accept submissions for all of our Bat-ladies, as well as for any other awesome erased female character you can think of, our focus for December is going to be our favorite non-lethal assassin. Comic scans, cosplay pics and tutorials- you name it, we’ll post it!

Not only will we be showing our Cass appreciation- we’d like all of you to show that, too! We’d especially like you to submit your stories about what Cassandra Cain has meant to you. We are open for submissions here, and will also be glad to reblog any stories attached to this post, tagged with #opbginc or #operation batgirl inc, tweeted to us on Twitter, or found in the Cassandra Cain tag.

Also as part of this, we’d like to start- or rather continue, given the already excellent conversation that has been going on for a very long time now- a discussion of race in comics and POC representation, especially for women of color like Cass and Nell. To this end, we’re going to be keeping a sharp eye out for any good discussion material to reblog, so if you know any, please, send it in!

So what are you waiting for? Let’s show Cass some love!

Seriously, guys, can you boost this?

December 1, 2012
daggerpen:

batgirlv3:

innervenom:

Opposite opinions. 

I really hate this sales argument. Now admittedly, I’m a social worker and numbers really aren’t my game but as a huge Stephanie Brown fan, I’ve followed this since the very beginning. I love Gail Simone more than any other writer in comics and she kind of is Barbara Gordon in my eyes - so I’m not going to dispute the sales of the New52 Batgirl title. Of course it’s selling more copies than Steph’s run did. You have the more ‘iconic’ Batgirl (I use that term intentionally) written by a writer that openly adores the character. It’s exciting for anyone who is a fan of Simone OR Gordon (of which I am both).
Everything I have read though clearly states that although Steph’s Batgirl sales might not have been stellar, it sold more issues than some of the New52 titles that continue to be commissioned.
Which by itself may not be that convincing, BUT when you consider how much hype there has been around the New52 titles I become a little more convinced. We’ll never know what Miller’s Batgirl series might have sold if it had received even one tenth of the marketing and promotion the New52 has. I can’t take two steps in my comic store without the words New52 in my face - even when Steph’s run was current, I had to dig for my issues.
More so, I think what this person’s reply shows, is that fans just aren’t buying what DC is selling when it comes to Steph & Cass. Their ‘reasons’ for refusing to allow multiple writers who have expressed interest to introduce either Cass or Steph back into the DCnU just don’t quite compute. And we’re not talking about some newbie writers here without a track record of success. We’re talking about some of DC (and comics) very best. Moves like making Nguyen change the hair color only add to the ‘lore’ that Steph & Cass’s so-called toxicity is becoming.
What I hate most about all of this is that so many fans are using this as an excuse to hate on Babs and her current run of Batgirl. Simone is a fantastic writer and no one writes Barbara as well. She IS the original and Cass & Steph might not have ever existed without her. Refusing to support this series does not bring us closer to having Cass and/or Steph back - in fact, if anything, it probably just serves to prove DC’s (or DiDio’s?) point.
I realize I’m ‘just a fan’ but I’m not just jumping on a soapbox. I could write a thesis on why Steph stands out in the Batfamily for me (perhaps not as eloquently  as some others already have) and I think I speak for many fans when I say I miss her (and Cass) terribly. That said, I care about the overall well-being of the comic industry more than I do one (or two) characters. The problem is - DC hasn’t really proven that to me yet. Frankly, they almost seem to play into the hype (ie. pulling the YJ episode, Smallville etc etc) and that feels disrespectful to to us fans.
We will probably never know the whole truth but I think DC has done an atrocious job of handling this and yes, it’s left me feeling a little bitter.

Reblogged for commentary.

In regards to ‘using this as an excuse to hate on Babs and her current run of Batgirl’-
That’s not a fair judgement. If you like the current Batgirl series, great. More power to you. But I don’t like it, and I’m not obliged to like it. Cass and Steph are part of that, but I have other issues beyond that. Even if I didn’t, I’m not required to justify why I don’t like the run or the current incarnation of the character. I don’t like it, and that is sufficient.
I do not owe Simone, Babs, or Batgirl my money or my approval. If the erasure of Cass and Steph sour fans on Babs enough they don’t want to read her run, that’s completely within their rights. It’s not an ‘excuse’, it’s an honest statement of their thoughts and feelings. You are not required to come up with an excuse for feeling annoyed and angry over the erasure of beloved characters, or for feeling annoyance and anger at the character they were erased in favor of.

daggerpen:

batgirlv3:

innervenom:

Opposite opinions. 

I really hate this sales argument. Now admittedly, I’m a social worker and numbers really aren’t my game but as a huge Stephanie Brown fan, I’ve followed this since the very beginning. I love Gail Simone more than any other writer in comics and she kind of is Barbara Gordon in my eyes - so I’m not going to dispute the sales of the New52 Batgirl title. Of course it’s selling more copies than Steph’s run did. You have the more ‘iconic’ Batgirl (I use that term intentionally) written by a writer that openly adores the character. It’s exciting for anyone who is a fan of Simone OR Gordon (of which I am both).

Everything I have read though clearly states that although Steph’s Batgirl sales might not have been stellar, it sold more issues than some of the New52 titles that continue to be commissioned.

Which by itself may not be that convincing, BUT when you consider how much hype there has been around the New52 titles I become a little more convinced. We’ll never know what Miller’s Batgirl series might have sold if it had received even one tenth of the marketing and promotion the New52 has. I can’t take two steps in my comic store without the words New52 in my face - even when Steph’s run was current, I had to dig for my issues.

More so, I think what this person’s reply shows, is that fans just aren’t buying what DC is selling when it comes to Steph & Cass. Their ‘reasons’ for refusing to allow multiple writers who have expressed interest to introduce either Cass or Steph back into the DCnU just don’t quite compute. And we’re not talking about some newbie writers here without a track record of success. We’re talking about some of DC (and comics) very best. Moves like making Nguyen change the hair color only add to the ‘lore’ that Steph & Cass’s so-called toxicity is becoming.

What I hate most about all of this is that so many fans are using this as an excuse to hate on Babs and her current run of Batgirl. Simone is a fantastic writer and no one writes Barbara as well. She IS the original and Cass & Steph might not have ever existed without her. Refusing to support this series does not bring us closer to having Cass and/or Steph back - in fact, if anything, it probably just serves to prove DC’s (or DiDio’s?) point.

I realize I’m ‘just a fan’ but I’m not just jumping on a soapbox. I could write a thesis on why Steph stands out in the Batfamily for me (perhaps not as eloquently  as some others already have) and I think I speak for many fans when I say I miss her (and Cass) terribly. That said, I care about the overall well-being of the comic industry more than I do one (or two) characters. The problem is - DC hasn’t really proven that to me yet. Frankly, they almost seem to play into the hype (ie. pulling the YJ episode, Smallville etc etc) and that feels disrespectful to to us fans.

We will probably never know the whole truth but I think DC has done an atrocious job of handling this and yes, it’s left me feeling a little bitter.

Reblogged for commentary.

In regards to ‘using this as an excuse to hate on Babs and her current run of Batgirl’-

That’s not a fair judgement. If you like the current Batgirl series, great. More power to you. But I don’t like it, and I’m not obliged to like it. Cass and Steph are part of that, but I have other issues beyond that. Even if I didn’t, I’m not required to justify why I don’t like the run or the current incarnation of the character. I don’t like it, and that is sufficient.

I do not owe Simone, Babs, or Batgirl my money or my approval. If the erasure of Cass and Steph sour fans on Babs enough they don’t want to read her run, that’s completely within their rights. It’s not an ‘excuse’, it’s an honest statement of their thoughts and feelings. You are not required to come up with an excuse for feeling annoyed and angry over the erasure of beloved characters, or for feeling annoyance and anger at the character they were erased in favor of.

November 26, 2012

daggerpen:

batsecretary:

shobogan:

Every time someone talks about how BQM loves and respects Steph I just have to stare at them.

No. No, I really don’t think he does.

If he did, he wouldn’t dismiss and demean her history as a vigilante. He wouldn’t whitewash her past. He wouldn’t carelessly excise her brutality and ruthlessness and anger. He wouldn’t ignore her skills and experience. He wouldn’t abandon her ties not only to her best friend, but to her mentors. 

He would write Stephanie Brown. Not a watered down substitute he finds more palatable, who fits more neatly into the boxes he wants to present. 

It’s a shame that his depiction of Steph as Batgirl is the only one we’re going to get.

I will never get over how poorly BQM wrote not only Steph, but also her relationships with other vigilantes, particularly Cass (or the… lack of writing that relationship) and with Barbara. Babs was the one who stuck up for Steph after Bruce fired her as Robin and made him admit that he’d been unfair. Steph knew who Oracle was before she knew Tim’s name. Babs, and the Birds, were there for Steph, often when the core Batfam was shunning her.

I hate that BQM ignored everything that Steph achieved during her time as Spoiler and Robin. That he made Batgirl the “first thing she saw through”, that he made Batgirl the first time she was “doing this for the right reasons”, like she hadn’t come to that point within a few months of her vigilante career, when she stuck around during the quake to help people, when she realized that the suburbs needed superheroes too.

It’s like he just ticked “bubbly blonde” boxes for personality and didn’t reallylookat Steph. BQM’s Steph isn’t the Steph that nearly killed Zsasz because she’d just seen his last victim, she isn’t the Steph that tried to strangle her dad, who had to be stopped from beating the Penguin to a pulp, who stormed out of a diner because she couldn’t stand to listen to people spouting rape culture bullshit. And I loved that Steph, the one who wasn’t perfect, who was angry and a little ruthless because she’d been hurt by the world and sometimes just wanted to hurt it back.

In the end, to me, it can be summed up by that one damn little panel where BQM made Steph a Blue Lantern.

Because he’s wrong.

Steph isn’t about hope. Stephloseshope. Sometimes she loses hope because the world is so screwed up that sending a few bad guys to jail isn’t going to change anything. She sees a system that failed her, that fails hundred of other people, including little kids, and she feels hopeless.

But that doesn’t mean she’s going to stop fighting. It isn’t about hope, it’s about doing something in the face of hopelessness. Steph picks herself up even if she knows she’s going to lose again, simply because she refuses to stay down. If Steph were a Lantern, she’d be Green, and BQM just didn’t understand that.

Some really good discussion.

I started reading (haphazardly) Steph’s Batgirl run before I started reading her as Spoiler, and I did/do like it. But the more I read of Spoiler, the more I have to treat BQM’s Steph as an alternate reality version of herself. I like Batgirl-Steph, and I like Spoiler-Steph. But I don’t think they’re the same character.

It’d be kind of interesting, actually, to see Spoiler Steph and Batgirl Steph interact. (Universe collision? Batgirl Steph as Spoiler Steph’s older sister?) I like them both, as I said. And I think they’d have an awesome character dynamic- Spoiler is a bit of a Knight in Sour Armor/Anti-Nihilist, while Batgirl skews more towards Incorruptible Pure Pureness, and they’d balance each other well.

…I’m shipping a character with an alternate version of herself. Somebody take my computer away from me.

(Source: cleromancy)

November 11, 2012
thehappysorceress:

Batgirl by MistyMay88

thehappysorceress:

Batgirl by MistyMay88

November 9, 2012

shobogan:

My Cass vid, set to Fireflight’s What I’ve Overcome.

November 6, 2012

thefingerfuckingfemalefury:

By Autumn Sacura


I feel the need to have some Kate/Steph on my blog today

And this artwork of them is SO nice and sexy, with Kate kissing Steph so passionately like that with their arms wrapped around one another

And I can see where your hand is going there Kate ;D

I have a lot of headcanons about these two

Like I imagine them meeting pretty much by chance and Kate maybe not getting on with Steph at first but they keep running into each other and having team ups and Kate starts to crush on Steph a bit and the whole time Steph is crushing SO hard on Kate because seriously, gorgeous and bad ass red head in skintight leather, YES GOOD

And eventually Steph just decides to go for it and much super-kissing and making out ensues and it is perfect <3

oh look, I ship it. One more ship I’m probably never going to see unless I write it.

November 4, 2012
Batgirl Annual: Thoughts on the Talon

stevonicus:

I don’t know what to think of the Talon Mary in the Batgirl Annual. Her voiceless assassin shtick reminds me too much of Cassandra Cain. It’s as if Gail Simone had wanted to use Cass but editorial rejected her. It is upsetting to see this reminder of DC editorial’s refusal to let writers use some of their amazing characters such as Waly West, Stephanie Brown and the aforementioned Cass.

Mary is one of my darlings, one of my many beloved minor characters who I probably think about more than their creators do, so speaking as one of her few (read: likely only) fangirls, my two cents:

There are definitely some similarities, in the silence and the martial art skills, but I’d wouldn’t say they’re interchangeable. Main points to support this argument:

  • Cass ‘spoke’ body language and didn’t understand any spoken language until the magic brain reboot in canon. Mary was fluent in English, and from what little evidence canon gives us, is at least semi-literate. Prior to the bombing, was very likely totally capable of speech. It was only the physical disfigurement from it that stopped her.
  • She has some qualms about killing, based on her actions. But not Cass’ bone-deep revulsion towards it, if her actions during NotO are any indication.
  • Cass is a martial artist first, when everything else is gone. Mary is…any number of things, unexplored in canon, likely a daughter among them, but at very least an aerialist before she is a martial artist.

Mary’s got her own history, skill set, and traumas, that are unique from Cass’ own.

(I was really rather irritated by the annual, as an aside. Up until the flashback to Mary as a child, she was so pale in it I thought they’d ret-conned her as white. Plus I feel like they made her more childish/animalistic in her second appearance than she was in her first. Which has a hell of a lot of unfortunate implications.

And on a strictly aesthetic level, I think they totally mishandled how her facial scarring was presented. She had an airborne bomb go off near her face, that’s going to cause more damage than the scarring they showed.

I’m not happy with what they did with Babs or Selina either, but Mary is one of my babies, and I am ridiculously protective of her for how minor a character she is.)

November 2, 2012
DC Acts To Remove Rogue Stephanie Brown Appearance In L’il Gotham

daggerpen:

terribletriplefeatures:

And now I’m not even going to finish this last Flash story arc. Congratulations, DC, the Orwellian nightmare you’ve become has finally made quit all of your comics for the foreseeable future.

#dc #dc comics #new 52 #batgirl #lil gotham #wtf dc? #where’s wally #the flash #batman

It is so, so nice to read this and feel absolutely nothing. Seriously, I recommend writing DC off so much, it’s the best thing I’ve done for my mental health in months.

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